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morgasms
23rd October 2008, 07:39 AM
FISH HOBBYISTS - YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS URGENTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last week representatives of the pet industry attended a meeting in Canberra with officials from Department of the Environment & Water & also the Bureau of Rural Sciences. We are advised from this meeting that they intend, effective 7th November, to recategorise ALL of the fish species currently on their "Grey List" as "Noxious".

This would result in all of these fish being illegal to sell or even keep privately, with the sanctions of fines & possible convictions for anyone caught doing so, & the seizing & destroying of the fish.

The full grey list can be viewed on http://www.brs.gov.au/ornamental , but includes amongst others most of the large American cichlids, all arowanas, bichirs, knifefish, stingrays, eels, koi & a number of large catfish & "exotics". In effect almost all large fish kept in the hobby today.

It is also important to stress that this list is not final, & other species can be added later.

If allowed to proceed this legislation will decimate our hobby, & if this is of concern to you we need your help to stop it. One of the major problems is that the Government Departments have mainly consulted wholesalers who are not badly effected by the fish listed, & we need to ensure that they learn just how much opposition is out there to this proposal.

THE ONLY THING THAT WILL STOP THIS OUTRAGE IS IF WE BURY THE DEPARTMENTS & MINISTER IN OBJECTIONS. Hobbyists, retailers & aquarium societies are all banding together to give a unified response to achieve adequate consultation.

Attached please find a pro forma letter that we would urge you sign & email to the parties listed, & preferably also your local member as well. Of course feel free to add your comments or write your own if you prefer.
Please also tell anyone eelse you know & ask them to help - part of the problem is no -one has been warned this was coming, & they have given us so little time to respond.

PLEASE ACT NOW - AFTER 7th NOVEMBER IT WILL BE TOO LATE. Don't leave it to others - we need every voice we can muster, only weight of numbers will make a difference.

PLEASE DOWNLOAD THE PETITION BELOW AND SIGN IT AND EMAIL IT TO THE EMAIL ADDRESS PROVIDED ABOVE.
IF POSSIBLE ALSO PRINT THIS PETITION OFF AND SIGN IT AND SEND IT TO YOUR LOCAL MEMBER OF PARLIMENT ASAP.

Email contacts are:-

Peter.Garrett.MP@aph.gov.au

Tony.Burke.MP@aph.gov.au

nick.gascoigne@environment.gov.au

anthony.moore@brs.gov.au



For the attention of :-

Mr Anthony Burke, Minister DAFF, PO Box 6022, Parliament House, Canberra, 2600
Mr Peter Garrett, Minister DEWHA, PO Box 6022, Parliament House, Canberra,2600
Mr Anthony Moore, Bureau of Rural Science, GPO Box 858 Canberra 2601
Mr Nick Gascoine, Department of Environment, Water, Heritage & the Arts GPO Box 787, Canberra, ACT,2601


Dear Sirs,

Re ; Proposed extension of the Australian & National Noxious Fish List

It has been brought to my attention that your department(s) intend to upgrade all of the fish species currently on the National Grey List to the category of Noxious, & I wish to object & oppose such action.

I am alarmed that this intention was only made known to a few industry representatives last week yet is proposed to be finalised by 7th November. This is clearly inadequate time for all interested parties to be informed & respond, & I preface my objections with a request that any decisions be delayed for sixty days to enable fair & reasonable consultation. I note also that to date that consultation which has occurred has mainly been with parties such as industry wholesalers who are largely unaffected by the proposal, & you need to be made aware of the very large number of retailers, hobbyists & members of aquarium societies who will be adversely affected.

- Unlike the current Noxious list, the proposed extension now includes many widely owned aquarium species, & many of the most prized & valuable in the hobby. Fish such as the American Cichlids, Arowanas, Stingrays,Knifefish, Eels, Bichirs & others form the heart of the collections of most serious aquarists, & are the economic mainstay of many aquarium retailers. Indeed many retailers would struggle to survive this proposal, particularly the specialist retailers who cannot generate sufficient profit if deprived of their most valuable sales. Note also that many hobbyists have tens ( & some hundreds) of thousands of dollars worth of fish in their collections, which value your proposal would wipe out over night.

- Any recategorisation should be on a species by species basis, not a blanket ban, & the "scientific" basis for such action needs to be both reasonable & transparent, & widely consulted rather than just an arbitrary subjective departmental opinion. Many of these species could not survive &/or reproduce in our waterways - due to temperature, water chemistry & predators - & even of those that theoretically could many have been kept as pets here for decades without problem.

- How can one reasonably claim the listed fish are worse than many not targeted, or is the ultimate intention to ban all non-native Australian fish? How can it be that a common goldfish is not banned when it can & does live in our colder & polluted waterways. Taken to it's logical conclusion are we to tell all pet shops in Australia they cannot sell goldfish, & all Australian children that they cannot have a goldfish in a bowl?

- Far from protecting our environment the proposal will have the opposite effect. Regrettably it will spawn a black market just as has occurred with reptiles & birds, & remove any chance of proper regulation. And fish which are today very valuable & unlikely to be released in waterways will become worthless & in the hands of many alienated hobbyists.

Certainly there are species on your list that need attention, but there are many that do not, & thought also needs to be given to alternatives such as registration, micro-chipping & perhaps even sterilization of some other more questionable species. I urge you to take a far more considered & informed approach to this issue.

Yours Faithfully

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firedragon92
24th October 2008, 12:23 AM
hey i have heard of this from other forums it is purpostrous it will ruin the aquarium hobby expecially the cichlid side i am going to read through the bill or what ever tommorow and pay a visit to my local council to see the procedures i have to follow to get a mass patition going and i will go to everyone i know and get them to sign it and also put it in all my local aquariums for customers to sign.

also morgasms would you mind if i used the reasons in your patition for mine

ill let you guys know the details once ive done some more reaserch and see if signatures can be transfered electronically as well as on paper.

its just a load of shit some politicians that no nothing about fish came up with

bettamuse
24th October 2008, 12:59 PM
I brougth this subject up almost 12 months ago in the same topic area, but nobody seemed to be interested.

Look under
The Management of Ornamental fish in Australia


BM

firedragon92
24th October 2008, 02:45 PM
hey does anyone know where to find some infomation on this proposed legislation.

i have looked on the BRS website and the only article on ornamental fish is the one that envolved them being put on the grey list and i have been unable to find a single things that even hints at them being moved to the noxious fish list

if anyone knows where to find this let me know otherwise ill pop into my local council and ask them.

cichlidboy
25th October 2008, 12:13 AM
Crap, luke told me about this before.
I've posted this on all possible web sites that I have editing "control" of.
Do you think lfs's would participate?

TJ

firedragon92
25th October 2008, 01:25 AM
i think they will because if the legislation becomes law their business will be greatly effected.

however as i said i cannot find even a trace of it on any government websites

just this same post on all the forums

does anyone know who the original source is because it would help to have some technical info to fight this thing

firedragon92
31st October 2008, 08:30 PM
hey guys still no trace of this on any government sites however i found the number of the committee and will give them a call tommorow hopfully its just a rumor and is not going to happen, but ill keep you posted

morgasms
5th November 2008, 07:40 PM
hmm so what happened ..anything

and sorry I was sent this email as is ..and the purpose was to copy paste the relevant part put a name on it and send it to the ministers email addies listed in the info. so i put it here hoping a large response might help.

i also couldnt find any real info on this matter so am eagerly awaiting some word etc too ..thnx all

"becncris" from www.fishgeeks.com.au (http://www.fishgeeks.com.au) was is as far as I know the source of the email.

firedragon92
5th November 2008, 08:09 PM
yeah i have been unable to get in contact with them but will keep trying and hopfully have some info tommorow

firedragon92
6th November 2008, 06:14 PM
Hey guys i just got off the phone to Dr Kim Ritman who is the director of fishiries at THE BRS ahe has said that he has not heard of anything involving the grey list fish being moved on to the noxious fish list. he says all of the info relating to the legislation can be found at http://www.daff.gov.au/brs/fisheries-marine/environment/ornamental in the downloadable PDF i have had a glance at it and it appears that it is just asking for a national law on the lists and i have not yet found anything relating to the moving of the grey list fish to the noxious list. however one sentance on the page leading to the PDF was not good "The listing of grey-listed species as noxious is the responsibility of the Natural Resource Management Ministerial Council and will then be taken up by the states and territories." however i dont quite understand what this means, but i will be giving the Ministerial council a call to see what they know if anyone finds anything on the PDF let us know, but it looks like to me that the whole thing has been blown out of proportion and is just a bid to have a nationally reconised list. I guess we will have to wait till tommorow to find out.

Dr Ritman also said that page i mentioned was due for an update tommorow so it would be worth checking out tommorow as well as today.

any let us know if you find anything and ill do the same

firedragon92
6th November 2008, 06:34 PM
just rang the NRMMC and they say there is a meeting tommorow so i am assuming that that is in regards to the proposed legislation on the managment of ornamental fish.

but unfortunatly everyone in that department had gone home and the service person had no knowledge on the subject so i guess we just have to wait and hope that our message gets through

i would still recommend reading the PDF because as far as i gather it does not actually reccomend moving the grey list fish to the noxious fish list and like i said is just a proposal to unify the laws already in place.

i would also like to add that it is only a proposed legislation so IF the legislation is approved by the council it still has to be passed through parliment before it becomes a law and there is another opertunity then to oppose it

so yeah i will check on both sites tommorow and get the minutes for the meeting and see what happened and ill keep you guys posted also if you find anything let me know

jak81
7th November 2008, 09:44 PM
This issue stinks of minority groups and do gooders !!!!
The ongoing problem of feral cats, dogs etc has been an issue for many years, has there ever been a suggestion of banning cats ? I would say absolutely not. This is nothing more than double standards and hypocracy !!!!

First the Labor party will have to get together and decide who has the community brain cell this week..................:mad: